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I'm Alan Olga and this is Clear and Vivid, Conversations about Connecting and Communicating.

There is a way in which Mark Zuckerberg is definitely a dictator in the same way that,

but a different type of dictator than Elon Musk is.

And he certainly looks like a bit neville dictator next to kind of Elon Musk and like how

he's been ruling Twitter.

He doesn't seem to really care about this as much as he seems to care about going to

Mars or building spaceships.

So I think this is just some distraction for him for the time being and then I think

he will hopefully move on and hires a real CEO to run things.

That's Kate Kleinick.

She had a ringside seat as Facebook struggled with finding a way to police itself.

She's now bringing that insider's view to the whole social media world and it's being

shaken up now by Elon Musk's takeover of Twitter.

This is so great to be talking with you because interestingly you're dealing with one

of the biggest problems in communication in the world today because the way the world

communicates with itself is unregulated.

How is speech monitored now, if at all?

Yeah, that's a great question.

So of course speech is monitored and I actually think that's a wonderful place to start

because I think one of the myths of kind of the free speech ideal, the marketplace of

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