Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award winning journalist,

Joel Waldman.

What's up, STS Nation, and welcome to... journalist Joe Waldman.

What's up, FTS Nation and welcome to this episode, the day after, surviving survivor,

the podcast that promises to bring you

the very best guests in all of true crime.

I know Peter Ellican remembers it but there was a TV show back in the day

about the day after a nuclear attack was simply called the day after and how the

world would be ravaged and everyone was afraid of it not unlike the Karen Reed trial it is the day

after the mistrial we are going to get you caught up on some of the things I already see

the rumor mills are in full churning mode here

with all kinds of rumors going on right now about the jury split. Of course the jury in the Karen retrial was deadlocked. They were asked three times, three separate times they came back, were asked to go back to the deliberations

room and finally Judge Beverly Canone called it as they say in sports said no

moss and no more and declared the mistrial. We have

amazing guests joining us as we always do coming to us from the car Todd

McGee he is founder of the

five oh eight group but he is a retired Massachusetts state trooper with many

many years of experience he is as we like to call him on the show, the voice of reason.

Peter Ellicant coming to us from what appears to be a pasture-like setting in Vermont with that beautiful book shelf.

I feel like he's in a log cabin somewhere off in the greenery of Vermont,

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