This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Brewski and continuing coverage of the case against Karen Reed.

It's been wild in the trial of Karen Reed, full emotional outburst, forensic,

firefights, and even some Red Solo Cup crime scene shenanigans as we gear up to chat with forensic

psychologist, Sivan Scott, about what all this drama means in human terms. Let's recap the latest

from Karen's own explicit-laced voicemails and a panicky, I hit him at the scene allegedly

to the defense's elaborate house party,

gone wrong theory, getting poked full of holes. There's plenty to unpack. Shavon, based on

everything we've seen, what do Karen's shifting words and behaviors tell you about her state of mind

that evening? You know, I always go back to a very intoxicated woman.

There's no doubt about that.

And a lot of emotional garbage cooking with her,

not a happy, stable relationship by any means.

And just hysteria, you know, a lot of drunken hysteria which is a

bad combination always what's interesting about this is this is just the little snapshot that we got

to see of her life we got to see this chaotic moment um do you think it happened in a vacuum do Do you think she's just, this is just a complete

one-off and she's just this hysteric and acting like this, you know, this was a big one-off?

Or, I mean, this is just speculation, but is this likely kind of a pattern of behavior with her

in certain way, shapes, or forms? Yeah, people, people by her age have established patterns of how they do relationships,

what they call love, you know, tends to be, certainly sounds like with her, what we know about

that night and her phone calls, her 53 phone calls, that there's a pattern of mixing

anger with love and a lot of concern about her partner's sexual behavior. And I would guess

that this is the way she does relationships, probably not just this moment in time. You think there's some

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