Welcome to the global phenomenon, surviving the survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist,

Joel Waldman. What's up, SDS Nation, and welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor, the

podcast that not only promises to bring you the very best guest in true crime but we do it day in and

day out and today is no different we are awaiting one more of the best

guests that would be brother counsel who has his own

YouTube channel he is here I believe I'm going to pop him in there he is

magically he has appeared so I don't need to tell you but I need to tell everybody that

they began deliberating two days ago it was I've lost track of days Tuesday afternoon, a full day of deliberations yesterday in the

Karen Reed trial. And yet again, another full day. It is 502 Eastern time on Thursday and as one reporter told me

inside the courthouse it is radio silence silence no real question Silence. Silence.

No real questions today, nothing going on.

The jury doing what juries do.

They are deliberating behind closed doors.

Christina Rex is a friend of the show.

She's a best guest.

She's in that courthouse and according to her,

it has been 14 and a half hours of deliberations.

We're going to get into what is going on behind those closed doors

in just a moment, but first, the best guests here in the flesh are mainstay the man we always can count on

famed Tallahassee defense attorney are Timothy Janssen someone on the book said, I thought you were always saying, oh you are Timothy Janssen, our Timothy Janssen, but in fact his first letter is an R, but it works out so well because he's also our O-U-R. I have a Jersey accent. I had a news director named Diane

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