This is the Hidden Killers podcast with Tony Bruske and continuing coverage of the case against Karen Reed.

What did you think about the experiments that Welcher did involving the blue paint on the side of the, on the vehicle, on the light, and then also how it then transferred to his arm. I know there's a lot of,

you know, people out there that are, well, it's this, it's it. I don't know. I thought it really,

I thought that was insanely telling. I thought it was even more digestible than even some of

the numbered data. Just in terms of understanding and seeing that scene where the backup

occurs at the two miles an hour, yeah, I mean, the body pretty much lines up exactly how it

very likely would have if that's how O'Keefe was struck. I mean, they are arguing, well, he could

have been in any other position. Yes, in theory, he could have. But it appears he was in this position because it really works.

It fits.

Yeah, it was really moving.

And, you know, when you have this sort of expert that's, you know, an engineer that really moves their pendulum, whether somebody's involved in something or not based on logical

analysis of data, when you have somebody like that, oftentimes it's difficult for them to

relate to a jury or to an audience. They talk so far above it that everything just gets lost. He did a great job

of keeping it down to earth and easily digestible. And that experiment was one case in point.

Everyone who I think was on the fence, truly on the fence, not one side of the other. They wanted to say,

how did the car hit John O'Keefe? How did the tail light break? What was the configuration of his body? Well, he answered all those questions. He did. And he answered them with science, you know, and math and everything else behind it. So it's very difficult to go against. That I think was some of the most compelling that we've seen now about the tail light, because

that was always a big question, well, how did the tail light explode? Well, the guess for a long

time, I think, was that it was the glass that hit it, which still may very well have been

the glass that hit it. But then when he explained if it was going over eight miles an hour,

it would also have shattered, glass or not? That, yeah. Yeah, no, I agree with you, Tony.

And it also sort of undermines any idea that he was killed in the basement.

I think he just really does a good job to blow all of that out of the water.

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