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Karim Abdul-Jabar is one of America's leading public intellectuals.

I would describe him as an offshoot of the Harlem Renaissance.

And what he and I share in common is a fascination with the character of my prop homes, the subject

of Karim's latest book.

And that, of course, is Sherlock Holmes's brother.

We're going to start with some questions.

I'd like to turn to the topic of segregation.

What I find interesting is that, according to some metrics in this country, racial segregation

has become worse rather than better.

Just a simple example.

In 1988, 43% of black students were in majority white schools.

Today, that's gone down to 23%.

Now we have an African American president, in some ways the country seems less prejudiced.

How has this happened?

What has gone wrong?

My opinion on that is the fact that the Boarding Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act led

to other acts that tried as hard as they could to eliminate segregation and housing, the

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