Hey, wonderful's welcome to episode 534 of the JV club with my marvelous guest, Kara Klank.

Kara co-hosts a fantastic law and order S vU. Yes, I did almost say Law and Order S-U-V.

Podcast on the Exactly Right Network

called That's Messed Up.

So Good.

And I have to say that this episode, I feel,

also mirrors how awesome that podcast and Kara are.

So I hope you enjoy it.

I feel so certain that you will.

I also just want to take a moment to acknowledge and celebrate Max Fun's co-opt

October. That's right for the month of October Max Fun is celebrating becoming

the worker-owned co-op that it is, the wonderful, wonderful place of work that it is, and highlighting

other creative co-ops.

I'm so proud of being a part of a network that values people over profits and we all really hope that you will celebrate with us and so to be part of the launch crew that helps the co-op get off the ground you can check out member exclusive

merch that you can get for just a limited time at maximum fund.org

slash co-optober that's co-op-o-o-o-o-e-e-r and I just want to remind you that

Max fun could not have done this without your support.

So thank you so so much for supporting our show and for supporting the network and all the

wonderfuls therein.

Happy Co-optober. You're going to be.

You're going to be here. You know. So just before we started recording we were both talking about like small home projects that we

had every intention of doing something about and still haven't and so I'm

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