Welcome to The New York Times Popcast, you're, it is what it is till it ain't anymore.

Of music news and criticism, I am your host, John Caramanka.

That is Breadwinner off the New Casing Musgrave's album Star Cross, Breadwinner a bracing and

barbed tale of what it means to be the person in the relationship providing a certain sort

of stability and how that can be interpreted by someone who lacks that stability.

Casey's back with her fifth album.

Later in the show, Laura Snaps is going to call in, we're going to talk about the long

arc of Casey's career and whether it is okay for Casey to, at this point in her career,

put out records that are both big and small, which is something that the public does not

seem inclined to want her to do, but may well be the thing that she's doing.

We're going to talk about that with Laura, but first Amanda has this calling in, Amanda,

my colleague, our critic at large, flew down to Nashville to hang with Casey, spend a

little time talking to her about what the last couple of years have been like and was

in the room when Casey got an interesting FaceTime request.

So let's kick it off.

Amanda has critical large in the New York Times.

Hello, welcome back to PopCast.

Hi, John.

Thanks for having me.

So we on Earth, the trauma before we get in.

All right.

Okay.

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