Justin Welby, former Archbishop of Canterbury: I forgive serial abuser John Smyth
The Interview
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4.3 • 537 Ratings
🗓️ 31 March 2025
⏱️ 23 minutes
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Summary
I forgive serial abuser John Smyth
Laura Kuenssberg talks to Justin Welby, the former Archbishop of Canterbury. As the figurehead for the 85 million people in over 165 countries who call themselves Anglicans, he presided over some of the key events in the Commonwealth of the last ten years, including the funeral of Queen Elizabeth II. But his tenure was clouded, and eventually ended, by an abuse scandal that shook the church. This interview is the first with Justin Welby since he resigned.
The Interview was made by Clare Williamson and Lucy Sheppard. It was hosted by Laura Kuenssberg. The editor is Sam Bonham.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm Laura Kunsberg, BBC presenter and journalist. This is the interview from the BBC |
| 0:06.6 | World Service, the best conversations coming out of the BBC, the people who shape our world from all |
| 0:14.7 | over the world. I will come back to Russia. I will participate in the elections. |
| 0:22.5 | There's an increase in violence according to the coca crop. |
| 0:26.5 | There is no place in the world where women are equal. |
| 0:28.9 | I will give away the vast majority of my money. |
| 0:31.6 | It's my full-time focus for the rest of my life. |
| 0:37.5 | In this episode, I speak to the former Archbishop of Canterbury, the leader of the Church |
| 0:42.9 | of England and symbolic head of the Anglican community, a worldwide body with more than |
| 0:48.8 | 85 million worshippers. Justin Welby presided not just over the church, but over some of the biggest |
| 0:56.5 | events in the Commonwealth of the last decade, including the funeral of her late majesty, Queen |
| 1:02.2 | Elizabeth II. It was a beautiful sunny day. I was standing at the door of Westminster Hall, |
| 1:09.1 | waiting for the coffin, and you heard from the distance, the cheers, |
| 1:13.8 | and then as it got closer the sighs, the groans almost. |
| 1:18.3 | But his tenure was clouded and eventually brought to an end |
| 1:21.7 | by an abuse scandal that shook the church. |
| 1:25.3 | Barrister John Smyth, who died in South Africa in 2018, |
| 1:29.7 | abused more than a hundred children and young men in the UK and Africa in the 1970s and 1980s. |
| 1:37.1 | He met many of the young men he abused at Christian summer camps. |
| 1:41.5 | By 2013, the Church of England knew at the highest level about Smyth's abuse, |
| 1:47.0 | including Mr Welby, who'd become Archbishop that year. An independent report suggested, |
| 1:53.8 | if the church had pursued Smyth more vigorously early on, he could have been brought to justice |
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