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JUST RAISE TAX

The New Statesman | UK politics and culture

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4.41.4K Ratings

🗓️ 2 July 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

'You walk around the country and you know something's off'


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After a bruising passage of the government's heavily altered welfare reform bill, for the sake of just a few billion pounds, many are left wondering where does the government and the country go now?


In this episode, Anoosh Chakelian is joined by colleagues Tom McTague, Will Dunn and Megan Kenyon to discuss the urgent yet seemingly intractable systemic changes now needed to the State and tax system.



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0:00.0

Hello, Will Hutton here from former leaders. I think your podcast is particularly timely.

0:05.3

To leading thinkers. We have lots of academics who've looked at this in real detail. I've gathered

0:09.9

some of the best minds in social science to help me explore the research, evidence and policies that could

0:15.3

shape the world around us. You have to be prepared to take risks. So why not join me as I

0:20.2

discover the big ideas that could shape the way we live?

0:23.3

This has been extraordinary.

0:24.4

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0:32.7

The New Statesman.

0:35.9

I can give you an exclusive on the reaction to the piece from Lord Frost now of the

0:45.0

Telegraph, which our listeners will be very familiar with.

0:48.2

I'm sure it's the first paper they turn to.

0:50.5

It's called us deranged leftists.

0:55.0

Does I put that on the banner?

0:57.6

I'm going to put it on my business, but a magazine of a deranged leftist.

1:02.3

Since 19.

1:02.9

Since 19.

1:07.5

Well, the government's reform bill has survived the night and passed in the House of Commons,

1:12.0

but only after yet more last-minute concessions in a humiliating episode for the Prime Minister

1:16.5

is the damage permanent.

1:19.2

I'm Anusha Kellyan and this is the New Statesman podcast.

1:22.3

Joining me are my colleagues Tom McTagg, Megan Kenyon and Will Dunn.

1:25.7

Hello, everyone.

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