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This is Our Body Politics. I'm guest host Karen Atio, Washington Post columnist, sitting in for Farai Chodea.

Journalists report the events that shape our nation and our lives. We do this work as honestly and as

accurately as we can. But as black American journalists, we often find ourselves navigating

injustice within our industry and the institutions that are supposed to protect us. Few people

understand this relationship more deeply than one of the nation's most notable historians,

Jolani Kopp. Cobb is an author, scholar, and journalist whose writing centers race, politics, history, and culture.

He joined us live at the 2023 Just Economy Conference in Washington, D.C. to talk about the challenges

he sees journalists of

color facing today. He also shares findings from a new report, uncovering inequality, a sweeping

joint commission by the Columbia Journalism School, and the Ira A. Lipman Center for Journalism

and Civil and Human Rights. Let's listen.

How are you?

Oh, I'm really good. Thank you.

And you've been the dean and the Henry Lees Professor of Journalism at Columbia,

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