June 28, 2020 | On GPS: Former National Security Advisor Tom Donilon on John Bolton’s memoir; Secretary General Antonio Guterres on the UN at 75 years old.

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🗓️ 28 June 2020

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Airdate June 28 2020: John Bolton's book reveals what he did, as Trump's national security advisor. But what should he have done? How should he have responded to Pres. Trump's actions? Obama National Security Advisor Tom Donilon tells Fareed what could have gone differently. Then, the UN celebrates it 75th anniversary. Is it still a force for global cooperation? Can it unite today's multipolar world? Secretary General Antonio Guterres answers these questions and more. And, Trump is trailing in the polls. Fareed talks to New York Times pollster Nate Cohn for the story behind the numbers. Finally, the U.S. once feared circumstances as dire as Italy's amid the Covid-19 crisis. America's new cases are now growing faster than Italy's did at its peak. What changed? Holly Jarman from the University of Michigan's School of Public Health explains.

GUESTS: Thomas Donilon, António Guterres, Nate Cohn, Holly Jarman

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0:00.0	This is GPS, the Global Public Square. Welcome to all of you in the United States and
0:09.5	around the world. I'm Farid Zakaria, coming to you live from New York.
0:16.0	Today on the show, Bolton's Blockbuster. His new book tells us what he did as National
0:20.8	Security Advisor. But what should he have done? How should he have reacted to Donald Trump?
0:29.6	I'll have a frank conversation with President Obama's National Security Advisor,
0:34.6	Tom Donnelly. Then this week marked the 75th anniversary of the signing of the United Nations Charter.
0:43.6	Is the organization still stuck in 1945? Does it build any real power in today's changed world?
0:54.6	I'll talk to UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres. And the US once pointed to Italy as the worst
1:05.6	case scenario it hoped to avoid on COVID. Now America is fearing worse than Italy was at the peak of the
1:12.6	crisis. What in the world happened? But first, here's my take. As the United States has
1:22.6	faltered in its handling of the coronavirus pandemic, many experts have warned that China
1:27.6	is using the situation to enhance its influence across the world. This is part of a familiar
1:33.6	pattern in which the US has worried that its competitors or its adversaries were 10 feet tall
1:39.6	and growing. But in fact, a striking feature of the recent international landscape has been China's
1:45.6	strategic blunders. The most significant example is China's recent incursion into India, in the
1:52.5	Galwan Valley, long under dispute by the two countries. For reasons that are not entirely clear,
1:57.5	Chinese forces have reportedly taken about 23 square miles of arid land, sparking a deadly skirmish.
2:04.5	This has triggered a powerful backlash in India. New Delhi has tried for years to maintain good
2:10.5	relations with both the Americans and the Chinese. India's Prime Minister Narendra Modi has met with
2:15.5	President Xi Jinping many, many times, an often rejected talk of aligning with the US pursuing a
2:21.5	foreign policy characterized as multi-aligned. No one is using that phrase now.
2:27.5	India's media has erupted with anti-Chinese sentiment and serious analysts are advocating a sharp
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