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The Playbook Podcast

July 2, 2024: What the SCOTUS immunity ruling really means

The Playbook Podcast

POLITICO

Government, Daily News, News, Politics

3.9699 Ratings

🗓️ 2 July 2024

⏱️ 10 minutes

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Summary

The Supreme Court ruled Monday that Donald Trump has immunity from criminal prosecution for some actions he took as president while fighting to subvert the 2020 election, further complicating efforts to put Trump on trial in Washington on criminal charges. The decision immediately deflated some of the central allegations that special counsel Jack Smith leveled against Trump. Plus, what does this indicate for the powers a President has? Playbook co-author Ryan Lizza and Ankush Khardori — former federal prosecutor at the Department of Justice and now senior writer for Politico Magazine — break down the details.

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0:00.0

Good morning, everyone. I'm playbook co-author Ryan Lizza. It's Tuesday, July 2nd, and here's what's driving the day.

0:11.0

Democrats are still tearing their hair out about what to do about Joe Biden. In conversations last night, three big points were made to us over and over.

0:22.6

There is a massive trust gap between senior elected Democrats in Congress and the Biden campaign after rounds of conference

0:28.7

calls over the last few days with the latter trying and failing to reassure the former

0:34.6

that all is okay. Democrats are being told by their own leaders, especially

0:39.9

in the House, to wait for more polling about how Biden's debate appearance affected his standing

0:45.8

against Trump. So when that first spate of polls comes out this week, that's probably going to be

0:51.1

the most important moment since the debate. Related to that

0:54.6

data, Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer, were being told over and over again, may only be moved

1:00.6

to weigh in with Biden if and when they feel that the House and Senate are lost. So those are the big

1:08.1

points in the internal civil war right now Democrats are having about whether to dump Biden.

1:14.7

For Democrats, the stakes of the election are even higher now after yesterday's Supreme Court ruling, granting President's immunity from prosecution for their official acts.

1:25.0

Here now to discuss that Supreme Court presidential immunity opinion

1:28.7

is former federal prosecutor and senior writer for Politico Magazine, Ancush Cardori.

1:35.1

Good morning, Ancush. Good morning.

1:37.5

All right, let's start with the opinion itself. According to the Supreme Court,

1:42.2

what is a president now allowed to do and not allowed to do?

1:47.2

On its face, the court's decision provides a presumptive immunity from criminal prosecution

1:53.0

for any actions related to his official responsibility.

1:56.7

The government, if they're prosecuting him over some conduct in that space, can rebut that

2:02.6

presumption if there are no dangers of intrusion on the authority and functions of the executive

2:08.7

branch. That was a quote from the opinion. I don't think anyone knows what it means.

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