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The Bulwark Podcast

Julian Zelizer: Living with Fear of Nuclear Weapons, Again

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 10 October 2022

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Since Ronald Reagan signed the INF nuclear arms reduction treaty, all presidents have worked to limit nuclear proliferation — except Trump, who pulled the US out of arms control deals. The nukes are still here, and we're depending on Putin to be rational. Julian Zelizer joins Charlie Sykes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

I think it's happy Monday, although as I just was saying to somebody, I feel like I've

0:13.3

taken crazy pills this morning, but that was probably because I spent too much time listening

0:17.4

to some of the audio from former President Trump's rallies over the weekend, Marjorie Taylor,

0:22.3

Greene, etc.

0:23.3

Hey, before we get started, some news is you, as you know, we're holding our first live

0:27.5

in-person event next Thursday. It is sold out. I have to tell you, even before our announcement,

0:33.5

this morning of our special guest, Officer Michael Fanon, one of the heroes of January

0:38.7

6th, and he's going to be joining me for a live discussion and, of course, a podcast about

0:43.9

the insurrection and his new book, which is coming out tomorrow. It is called Hold of

0:48.2

the Line. It's making some news. You can check it out. We talk about it in the newsletter

0:52.6

this morning, morning shots. Also, do a quick review of how that House Judiciary Committee

0:59.7

Republican tweet is working out. Remember that one, the one where this is the official account

1:05.0

of the House Judiciary Committee Republican put out a cryptically bizarre tweet three words,

1:11.3

Kanye, Elon Trump. This, of course, was right before Kanye went on his anti-Semitic meltdown

1:18.2

rant, Elon Musk, of course, welcoming his good friend back to Twitter. But because Elon

1:24.2

Musk is not actually in charge of Twitter, Kanye has now been kicked off of both Facebook

1:29.4

and Twitter for this anti-Semitic rant. And of course, as you know, conservative media

1:35.1

and Republican officials are rushing forward to denounce this outburst of anti-Semitism,

1:40.7

just kidding. You know, none of that is happening. So we have a lot to talk about this week.

1:47.7

And to put some of this in some sort of a context, because I know that there are people will

1:54.1

say, well, you know, we've been through tough times before. Why would this be different?

1:58.1

How do these threats stack up against previous threats, including the anxiety about the

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