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Radio 4. My My castaway this week is the Psychotherapist Julia Samuel, counselor for

pediatrics at London St Mary's Hospital and founder patron of the Child Bereavement Trust, now Child Bereavement UK,

she spends much of her working life confronting some of the most sensitive, distressing and complex experiences people have to deal with, the death of a child and bereavement

in childhood. She's also instrumental in training other health professionals in how best to

offer support to bereaved families. It seems an unlikely

vocation for someone with such privileged beginnings. One of five children, she was

born into the Guinness banking family brought up largely by a governess and then spent a year

gadding about in the social swirl of Paris before setting up her own interior

decorating business. More recently she was made godmother to his Royal Highness Prince George.

Princess Diana had been a close friend and a strong supporter of the Child Bereavement Trust.

She says, I feel fortunate to be able to do this work because it's very rewarding.

It broadens my life in every sense.

You experience people in ways that you don't in any other part of your life.

They show such courage and strength. So welcome Julia Samuel,

you must surely, given your profession be a good listener, does it feel unfamiliar and

slightly unnerving to be here having to talk about yourself.

It feels it extremely unfamiliar. I'd much rather it was the other way around.

But I'm delighted to be here.

To what extent when you're counseling people, I you know I tend to think that it might

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