Joyful Anyway (Yes, Even Now)

Everything Happens with Kate Bowler

Kate Bowler

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality, Health & Fitness

4.8 • 5.1K Ratings

🗓️ 7 April 2026

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Summary

On the day her new book Joyful Anyway releases, Kate pauses before the interviews and travel to reflect on a harder question: what does it mean to talk about joy in a world that feels fractured, exhausting, and uncertain? In this short, personal episode, she pushes back on the pressure to optimize our way into happiness and instead explores a stranger, sturdier kind of joy—one that shows up alongside grief, ordinary stress, and lives that don’t quite match the ones we imagined. With a reading from the book and a few honest reflections, this is an invitation to consider what might be better than happiness—and how joy might still find us anyway. SHOW NOTES Joyful, Anyway by Kate Bowler — Available everywhere books are sold. Tour dates & tickets: katebowler.com/joyfulanyway Watch on YouTube See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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0:00.0	Hi, it's Kate. And if you're looking for another podcast that tackles life's big questions,
0:04.1	I have the perfect recommendation for you, the Signal Award-winning podcast, No Small Endeavor.
0:10.1	No Small Endeavor explores one of life's biggest questions. What does it really mean to live a good life?
0:15.6	Each episode, host and award-winning theologian Lee Seacamp sits down with thoughtful guests like
0:21.5	happiness expert Gretchen Rubin and New York Times bestselling author Jen Hatmaker to explore
0:26.7	the ideas and habits that help people flourish. Follow no small endeavor on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,
0:32.3	or wherever you're listening now.
0:34.7	Hey, it's me, Steve Burns, and I'm so glad you're here because you and I go way back, right?
0:40.3	Yeah.
0:41.3	And look at us now.
0:42.3	Like, we're all grown up.
0:43.3	We've got this new podcast where we talk about all this grown up stuff and there's special
0:47.3	guests like Jamie Lee Curtis and Bill Nye, but for the most part, it's about you.
0:53.3	I mean, it's always been about you.
0:56.0	From Lemonada Media, alive with Steve Burns is coming September 17th, wherever you get your podcasts,
1:01.0	or you can watch every episode on YouTube.
1:04.7	Hey guys. Okay, well, today is like a weird and surreal day in a couple hours.
1:10.2	I'm going to be headed over to the Today Show
1:12.8	because today is the launch. This is like when I can't speak, I can only sing that my book,
1:20.3	joyful anyway, is out in the world. Yeah, you know, and you just sit around looking into middle
1:25.0	distance being like, how do this happen? Because before all the
1:29.3	being, you know, all the talking about it and the travel and the coming to see you on tour.
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