Hello and welcome to the Psychology Podcast. In this episode I talked to

Joy Lawson Davis and Deb Douglas about gifted education. Specifically we

identify the underrepresented population of gifted students and the unique

cultural barriers they face. Joy and Deb share their definition of what self

advocacy is and why it's a skill everyone should have and they give helpful

tips and resources for educators, parents, and advocates on how to find and

nurture gifted potential. We also touch on the topics of equity, test preparation,

IQ, special education, and intersectionality. This was a very personal episode

for me as you will see toward the end. I got quite emotional in this episode, both

because I think this is an extremely important topic and too many kids are

falling through the cracks due to our misunderstanding of human potential, but

also because of my own personal experiences growing up with learning disability.

This was a really meaningful episode for me. So without further ado I now bring you

Joy Lawson Davis and Deb Douglas. Joy and Deb thank you so much for coming to

talk to me today on the Psychology Podcast. Thanks for inviting us. Glad to be

here with you. So congrats. Thank you so much. Thank you. Yeah congrats on this

new book. It seems so timely right now. Even more timely, especially in the

light of the controversy about New York education cutting. Well, they they're

going to have accelerated programs, but they cut their prior kind of pull out

programs for young children, right? Based on the grounds that it's the

inequities in gifted education. So this sets up your book just perfectly, right?

You know what what who are the underrepresented gifted? Who are what is that

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