Hello, and thanks as always for listening to The Tully Show. I'm excited to bring you a very interesting

interview about a downright, fascinating piece of investigative journalism regarding the

sorted and salacious behind-the-scenes story of Bob Ross, the happy little trees guy. The link to

the story is in my Twitter. I encourage everybody to check that out. And while we're here, let me

remind you of my Patreon. Excitement is building for the 20 years overdue release of some silly

album of songs, Brian Cullen and I made in basically Brian Cullen's bedroom in his apartment

in New York back in the early 2000s. That's going to go up probably within a week or so. Plus,

somebody sent me a link. According to them, I have done 69 Patreon Exclusive podcasts so far.

That doesn't seem possible at all. But it's sexy to think it might be true. Whatever the

real number is, there's tons and tons of Patreon Exclusive stuff that is yours for the listening

exclusively at patreon.com slash mic tully patreon.com slash mic tully.

Coming to you live on tape from an above ground basement in rapidly gentrifying

Culver City, adjacent California, boasting a fully obstructive view of the world-famous Hollywood

sign. This is the tully show I Am Your Host Mike Tully. Joining me today from Hawaii,

a screenwriter and film producer, a former Pentagon speechwriter and analyst, and most

importantly for our present purposes, a journalist who is responsible for a sprawling, authoritative

and deeply fascinating article entitled sex, deceit, and scandal. The ugly war over Bob Ross's

ghost. Hello and welcome, fresh off of his morning snorkel, Austin Ramsey.

Thank you for having me. I'm psyched to be here. And the snorkeling wasn't great this morning,

though. Visibility wasn't 100%. Crimey a river. Yep. Yep. I will. Don't worry. Don't worry.

Well, I do. If the roles were reversed, I don't know that I would be making time in my snorkeling

schedule to frankly to talk to you. So I do. I do. On behalf of everyone, I appreciate you being

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