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The Tikvah Podcast

Joshua Berman on Traveling to Biblical Egypt

The Tikvah Podcast

Tikvah

Judaism, Politics, Religion & Spirituality, News

4.6620 Ratings

🗓️ 27 January 2023

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

To understand the inner life of the biblical world, one must look to Egypt.

In the Hebrew Bible, it plays a role in the psyche of the Jews as the great other, the great alternative. Thus, when the land of Israel suffers from famine, Egypt is a land of plenty. While the land of Israel is subject to the limits and vicissitudes of nature, the Egyptian regime is dedicated to conquering nature and overcoming its cycles of plenty and poverty. And where the land of Israel is full of shepherds wandering in the wilderness encountering God, Egypt, by contrast, is a teeming, tight, narrow imperial capital.

It's in Egypt, that the children of Israel begin to assume a national identity (or, at least the Egyptians think they do). Once freed from Egyptian bondage, they are haunted by memories of Egypt. And as they build their own nation in Israel, they become the anti-Egypt—in moral sensibility, in legal and constitutional structures, in theology.

This week, the podcast is joined by Joshua Berman, a rabbi, academic Bible scholar, and the author of several books, including, most recently, Ani Maamin, about biblical criticism, historical truth, and faith. Over the last year, Berman has been leading groups on an Exodus in reverse—on tours back to Egypt to discover that country’s biblical sites. Together with Mosaic editor Jonathan Silver, he talks about his journeys and reflects on how his engagement with Egypt has deepened his understanding of the formative texts of the Jewish people.

Musical selections in this podcast are drawn from the Quintet for Clarinet and Strings, op. 31a, composed by Paul Ben-Haim and performed by the ARC Ensemble.

Transcript

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In the Bible we first learn of Mitzraim as one of Noah's grandsons, the second son of

0:13.1

Kham during a genealogical section in Genesis, in which the entire world seems

0:18.3

to be settled with inhabitants that branch off into different cultures.

0:23.3

Generations later we learned that there was a famine in Knan, and Avram, the man who would

0:27.6

one day become the father of Isaac and with him the Jewish people, went down to a place

0:32.9

called Mitzraim, to sojourn there, for the famine, Genesis tells us, was severe in the land. Thus,

0:39.7

Mitzraim, Egypt, is introduced in the formative text of the Jewish people as an alternative to

0:45.8

the land that will one day become the home of the Jewish people. And forevermore, it will play a role

0:51.6

in the psyche of Israel as the great other, the great alternative.

0:56.6

The land of Israel suffers from famine, whereas Egypt is a land of plenty.

1:01.8

In the generation of Joseph, the children of Israel will push him down into a pit,

1:06.4

and the king of Egypt will raise him up to become his prime minister.

1:10.3

Canaan is subject, always,

1:12.6

to the limits and vicissitudes of nature, whereas the Egyptian regime is dedicated to conquering

1:18.1

nature, overcoming its cycles of plenty and poverty. Canaan is where shepherds, wandering in

1:24.3

the wilderness, can encounter the creator of the universe.

1:32.6

Egypt, by contrast, is teeming, tight, narrow, an imperial capital.

1:36.0

The land of Israel is promised by God as an inheritance.

1:39.9

Egypt is governed by a pharaoh, believing himself to be a God,

1:42.8

who forgets the past as he ascends to the throne.

1:45.9

It's there, in Egypt, that the children of Israel begin to assume a national identity, or at least the Egyptians think they do. It's there that they linger

1:51.7

for centuries in servitude and squalor, until God remembers his covenant with them and sends back to

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