Hello and welcome to the Scriptures A Real Podcast.

This is the podcast where we talk about elements of the scriptures that have become real to us so that we can draw more power out of them because we need the power of the scriptures in our lives.

I'm your host, Kerry Mielstein, and I'm happy to have and excited to have back with us.

It's just a few episodes ago that we had with us, Dr. Josh Sears, or Joshua Sears,

my good friend and colleague here in my department, and you heard a little bit about him

in our last episode on Job, but I guess that's been about a month and a half.

But at this point, I think it's worth bringing up that Josh has worked on Isaiah a lot.

He's been spent the summer, I think, prepping to teach the Isaiah course.

He has been writing articles on Latter-day St.

approaches to Isaiah and so on. And it's just, I think, in the last several months,

been swimming in Isaiah almost constantly. And so I'm excited to have him on here to help us

through Isaiah. Welcome, Josh. All right. Good to be back. Thank you. So did I describe that accurately? What did I miss and what you've been doing to work on Isaiah? Of course, you did work on it in graduate school and so on, I'm sure, but what did I miss? Now, that sounds good. Isaiah is always something to just draws you, right? Because it's there in the Old Testament, the New Testament, the Book of Mormon, the doctrine of governance. Isaiah is kind of everywhere. So it's hard to avoid Isaiah, but it's fun when you dive into it. Yeah, that is. It's fun stuff. So before we jump into whatever you have prepared for, say, just a few minutes ago, just before we started recording, I kind of sprung this idea on Josh, and he's always kind enough to just jump right in and swim wherever we're swimming.

In our last week's episodes, we introduced the idea of multiple fulfillments, that there are, Isaiah's prophecies are written

in a way that they are often intended to have fulfillments in more than one time period.

And that's something that is a real key to understanding Isaiah, but sometimes it makes it

a little bit hard for us to figure out how to do that. And there are some elements, actually,

we have some fantastic aids in our scriptures that are very helpful, but sometimes can make

some of these things a little bit more difficult. And Josh has been kind of looking at that lately.

So I asked if he would share with us a little bit of what he learned that it might help us with this idea of finding multiple fulfillments in Isaiah.

Yeah. So what I'm thinking about specifically here is the chapter headings that we have in our

scriptures. And everyone's familiar with those, right? It's basically in the Latter-day Saint edition of the Bible,

it's the only kind of built-in commentary that we have to help us as we go through.

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