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Mormon Stories Podcast

Joseph Smith Pursues Teenage Girls in Nauvoo - John Turner pt 34 | Ep. 2127

Mormon Stories Podcast

Dr. John Dehlin

Religion & Spirituality

4.5 • 5.7K Ratings

šŸ—“ļø 20 March 2026

ā±ļø 168 minutes

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Summary

Welcome back to Part 34 of our series with Dr. John G. Turner! Today we are covering most of Chapter 27 in John Turner’s new book Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet. The chapter is called ā€œDeep Waterā€ and covers the year 1843.


The main topic for today is polygamy.


Join us as we discuss several of Joseph Smith’s wives such as Flora Woodworth, Eliza R. Snow, Sarah Ann Whitney, Lucy Walker, etc. John Dehlin challenges Dr. John Turner on specific aspects such as whether Emma Smith really did push Eliza R. Snow down the stairs and whether or not Porter Rockwell did actually attempt to assassinate Lilburn Boggs. We also discuss the validity of the William Clayton journals and postulate on why the church has yet to publish them.


Throughout 1843, Joseph Smith promised men and women salvation based on their willingness to enter into polygamy. He spent church funds on gifts for his wives, as well as buying some of them plots of land, and even travel expenses for some of the women (from England to Nauvoo). Joseph Smith used language that could be seen as coercive, for example, telling Lucy Walker that polygamy was a command of God and that he would give her ā€œuntil tomorrow to decide this matter [of polygamy] and that ā€œIf you reject this message the gate will be closed forever against you.ā€


In this episode we tackle hard questions such as: Can people who do bad things also be good? Does good behavior negate seemingly abusive actions? Are people all bad and all good? Can Joseph Smith’s actions be seen as human trafficking?


This chapter in Mormonism is deeply problematic and disturbing, but Dr. John Turner handles it amazingly.


Let us know your thoughts on a Brigham Young series (comprising ten episodes) covering John Turner’s book Brigham Young: Pioneer Prophet.


If you’d like to help keep this project going, please consider donating to support this series here. Your support makes long-form, in-depth historical discussion like this possible!


Purchase John Turner’s book here.

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0:00.0

Hello, everyone, and welcome to part 34 of the Joseph Smith podcast. I'm your host, John DeLinn.

0:08.1

It is March 11th, 2026. We've been away for a week or two. Lots going on, including threats of the Mormon Church suing me in the Open Stories Foundation.

0:20.6

So that's kind of been a little bit pressing.

0:23.9

We are here today to discuss this amazing book,

0:27.9

Joseph Smith, The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet by Dr. John G. Turner.

0:33.8

I am sporting my Aggies cap today.

0:37.2

I still have my George Mason hat here on my desk, Go Patriots.

0:41.8

But today it's go Aggies because the Utah State Aggies won outright the Mountain West Basketball Conference Championship.

0:51.8

So I got to say, go Aggies.

0:56.4

How are the Patriots doing in terms of the NCAA tournament, John Turner? I think we're looking a little shaky. We had a great start to the

1:02.0

year. Then we tailed off for a while. We've got our conference tournament coming up. We made the

1:08.1

finals of the conference tournament last year. so, you know, who knows?

1:12.3

Maybe we can get on a run.

1:14.4

Does the winner of your conference championship have an automatic birth into the NCAA tournament?

1:20.1

Correct.

1:20.7

Okay. Well, maybe the Aggies and the Patriots will meet in the NCAA tournament.

1:27.1

Stranger things have happened.

1:28.7

Okay, well, I'm not holding my breath, but that's okay because we've got other exciting

1:33.4

things going on.

1:34.5

And you're sporting the T-shirt, John Turner.

1:36.9

I am in a Navu state of mind.

1:41.1

It's a Billy Joel reference there.

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