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🗓️ 15 July 2024
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| 0:00.0 | Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Conversations with Tom. |
| 0:07.4 | I am here with somebody that I have been so desperate to get on the show for a long time. |
| 0:11.5 | I cannot tell you just how much the one and only Jordan Peterson |
| 0:15.7 | Jordan welcome to the show thank you very much it's a pleasure to be here appreciate the |
| 0:20.6 | invitation man I am beside myself with excitement to have you on and for a few reasons, one, you've had massive influence over the way that I think and you have been a guiding light. I never intended to get involved in the culture wars that's not where I thought |
| 0:38.0 | my voice was going to be but your idea of having to face things courageously and not basically just try to hide in the basement. |
| 0:48.0 | And I realized that I was doing that, that I was trying to avoid those topics because I was afraid of them and that |
| 0:55.3 | didn't make me feel good about myself and so I think a lot about identity and one of the |
| 1:02.2 | things that I'm always telling people is money, success, fame, all that |
| 1:07.6 | stuff is irrelevant. |
| 1:08.6 | What matters is how you think about yourself when you're by yourself. And I want to know what you think about in terms of |
| 1:17.7 | self-identity, how we construct our sense of self and then how we leverage that to move through the world in a way that makes sense. |
| 1:29.0 | So So identity to me is something that's practical. |
| 1:39.0 | It's your identity is a it's like a dramatic role that you play out in the world and |
| 1:48.9 | well playing that out it has to furnish you with a life and what that means is that it has to be |
| 1:55.8 | it means that it has to be negotiated with other people. When you're a very young |
| 2:01.0 | child and you first start to play with who you are, you live in a fantasy world and according to some developmental psychologists at least, particularly this is grounded in the theories of Piage that very young children, two or three, are quite egocentric in their play. They play according to their own rules. And so they're not social yet until they're three or four, which |
| 2:26.7 | means that they have their own goals in mind and then they erect a little fictional |
| 2:31.6 | world around those goals and then they play out the role within that fictional world and that's pretend play and when they get to be about three or four and they start playing with other kids they have to bring their worlds together and negotiate because |
| 2:48.0 | both children have to want to play and so that means identity has to expand beyond its egocentric focus and increasingly |
| 2:58.5 | be negotiated in the social world. I studied developmental psychology for a long time, especially in relationship to the regulation of aggression. |
| 3:08.0 | And most children learn to regulate their aggression between the ages of two and four. |
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