Ever felt awkward and uncomfortable in Church, like you just don't fit in? Well, according to Jonny Baker that could well be the gift of pioneering.

Jonny was pioneering before pioneering was a thing. Most notably he founded the alternative worship community Grace, and more recently he's pioneered a training course for pioneers. So if you're dreaming that things could be different, then tune into the podcast, Jonny might just be the person you've been waiting to stumble across. 

“A lot of people like to think that you can jump from the old to the new in one move. But it seems to invariably go through chaos or darkness or wilderness or liminality–you know, whatever that space is – it seems very unusual to just be able to get the new thing going without any pain.” - Jonny Baker

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