I'm Charlie Sykes.

Welcome back to To the Contrary Podcast.

Boy, we have a lot to talk about today.

I'm joined by my good friend Jonathan Rauch.

Thanks for coming back on the podcast, first of all.

I am always happy to be with you, Charlie.

I enjoy listening to the show and I even enjoy being on the show.

That's actually even more fun.

You know, I thought that today's show was going to be obvious that we're just going to be talking about the biggest story of the week, which was, of course, the blue wave, the Trump thumping that took place in the election.

And we're going to get to that in a moment. But I have to say that there are sometimes there are stories that genuinely do surprise me that are actually important stories as opposed to a trivial story.

And so if you'll indulge me for a moment,

this is breaking as you and I are sitting down here. The justices heard the challenge,

the constitutional challenge to President Trump's tariff regime. And amazingly, and amazingly,

because at least some of the conservative justices sounded very, very, very skeptical whether or not the president has the imperial power to impose taxes on the American people by whim.

Kind of amazing.

Can I just read you some of the quotes here?

Yeah, yeah, please.

Well, because I think people are surprised.

I mean, you know, he's been invoking, I mean, just a little bit of background.

I mean, you know, he's been invoking this 1977 emergency powers act, which, by the way, does not mention tariffs.

And it gives the president the power to, you know, take certain actions during emergencies.

He has applied it to all of the tariffs, and lower courts have said, yeah, that's an

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