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Coming to you live on tape from an above ground basement in rapidly gentrifying

Culver City adjacent California, boasting a partially obstructed view of the

world famous Hollywood sign. This is The Tully Show. I am your host Mike Tully

joining me today, the author of a provocative new book about an utterly

fascinating yet often overlooked facet of society entitled For a Dollar and

a Dream State Lotteries in modern America. Hello and welcome Jonathan Cohen.

Mike, so nice to be here. Thank you for being with me. How did you come to this

subject? It's one of these great big hiding and plain sight sort of things. It

seems simultaneously like a totally obvious thing that tons of people would have

already written a bunch of books about and also something that it never would

have in a million years occurred to me to write a book about. Right because the

people who who write books don't play the lottery. There's an old joke. Gambleers

don't read and readers don't gamble. Oh, I see. Yeah. I mean, they started as a

doctoral dissertation. And really, I mean, I'm a child of the great recession

and sort of went into graduate school, not interested in the lottery. You know,

I don't have any lottery winners. I don't have any problem gamblers in my family.

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