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The Al Franken Podcast

Jonathan Alter on Trump’s Authoritarian Police State

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The Al Franken Podcast

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4.67.7K Ratings

🗓️ 3 August 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

We're joined by journalist and best-selling author, Jonathan Alter, to dig deeper into the latest in Trump’s America. Jonathan’s most recent piece in Washington Monthly explains how the BBB’s enormous funding for ICE will turn America into a police state. With over 75 billion dollars, ICE will now be bigger than all American law enforcement agencies combined.

We discuss Trump's authoritarianism, including the ongoing shake down of American universities and law firms. Plus, Texas Republicans are redistricting the state to add 5 new Republican seats to the House. How can Democrats fight back? Can California and New York do the same?

Amid all of the depressing news, Alter also brings a message of hope! He deeply believes in the importance of people power. Citizens are learning ways to resist and make their voices heard. And with the coming midterms, he's optimistic that Democrats CAN take back the House. 

DONATE to World Central Kitchen and help feed the starving people of Gaza:
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READ Jonathan's piece on ICE in Washington Monthly: https://washingtonmonthly.com/2025/07/14/america-is-now-a-police-state/

CHECK OUT Jonathan’s Substack, Old Goats: https://oldgoats.substack.com/

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Hey, everybody, we got a great one today.

0:06.8

You know, for a change.

0:08.6

Journalist Jonathan Alder joins me.

0:11.2

Best-selling author, a former columnist and editor of Newsweek,

0:15.1

and he has a terrific substack called Old Goats.

0:18.5

Jonathan wrote a great piece for the Washington Monthly.

0:21.9

America is now a police state on a horrible part of the Big Beautiful Bill that didn't get as

0:28.6

much attention as the other terrible parts like the Medicaid and Snapcuts.

0:35.2

But the $100 billion in new funding for ICE and customs and border protection is every bit as ugly.

0:42.7

And Americans are just beginning to get an idea of how much we hate it,

0:47.1

because so much is going to rounding up and deporting undocumented immigrants

0:52.6

who have done nothing illegal other than coming here illegally

0:56.1

or overstaying a visa and have lived here and worked and contributed to our country.

1:05.1

And in fact, there are even 500,000 plus Cubans, Haitians, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans who came here legally under a

1:13.5

program that allowed them to stay in the U.S., provided they had a financial sponsor, and met

1:21.5

certain other criteria.

1:23.3

However, the program has been terminated, and those people who broke no laws now face deportation.

1:32.6

And before we go to Jonathan, just a word about President Trump and the tragic situation in Gaza.

1:39.5

So the United States sent $60 million of food, and Trump is a little mift that no one thanked us.

1:47.0

We gave 60 million. Nobody said even thank you. You know, thanks. Somebody should say thank you.

1:53.4

So I'll say it. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. And if you'd like to help feed those in Gaza who desperately, desperately need it,

2:04.6

you can send a contribution to World Central Kitchen.

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