Jon Ward On Evangelicals And Politics

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Andrew Sullivan

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🗓️ 31 March 2023

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Jon is the chief national correspondent for Yahoo News and the host of “The Long Game” podcast. His first book was Camelot’s End: Kennedy v Carter and the Fight that Broke the Democratic Party, and his new book is Testimony: Inside the Evangelical Movement that Failed a Generation. You can also follow Jon’s writing on his substack, Border-Stalkers, and on his website, jonwardwrites.org.

For two clips of our convo — on the joys of being evangelical Christian, and the sexual struggles of male evangelicals — pop over to our YouTube page. Other topics: Jon growing up in the Jesus Movement in the '70s and '80s; speaking in tongues; the insecurity of evangelicals toward mainstream culture; Catholic hymns vs the music of evangelicals; Catholicism as anti-subjective and anti-emotional compared to evangelicalism; when the Southern Baptist Convention tolerated abortion; the evangelical and Catholic alliance after Roe v. Wade; Paul Weyrich; Reinhold Niebuhr; Frederick Buechner; structural sin; Calvinism and predestination; Saint Francis; the indifference of Jesus toward gender roles; same-sex marriage and the Mormon settlement over it; Garry Wills; James Carroll’s Constantine’s Sword; Kevin Hasson’s The Right to Be Wrong; how Christians should embrace political loss; Christianism and Trump; and the crosses wheeled out on January 6.

Heads up that the Dish is taking Holy Week off as our spring break. See you back on the pod the Friday after the Good one. Happy Easter and Passover!

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0:00.0	The Hi there. Welcome to another dishcast. They keep coming, don't they? It's a beautiful day in Washington, D.C. I'm still here. Provincetown has yet to lure me northward.
0:42.2	And actually, these months in D.C. March and April are just sublime. They are, along with, I think,
0:50.2	basically September and October, the just gorgeous months to live in the nation's capital,
0:54.5	which is a beautiful city. For those of you who've never visited, especially all of you in New York,
0:59.2	who've never ever gotten on the Ocello and come down to even say hi to us, not that we have
1:03.6	a inferiority complex about it. But anyway, today, those four months are probably the best,
1:09.2	the only times that D.C DC is better than New England.
1:12.9	Huh. Well, thank you for that contribution, John.
1:16.4	You're welcome.
1:16.8	I haven't even introduced you yet.
1:18.4	That's all right.
1:19.9	John Ward is here.
1:21.6	John Ward is a, I would say, we're friends.
1:23.9	We go back a bit.
1:25.1	He is the chief national correspondent for Yahoo News and the host of
1:30.0	the long game podcast. His first book was Camelot's End, Kennedy versus Carter in the fight that
1:37.8	broke the Democratic Party. It's all about that classic primary campaign back in 1980.
1:44.0	Yep.
1:44.8	And his new book, however, which we're going to talk about today, which is really a much more personal book.
1:51.4	And I would say quite of a sort of, I don't know, you bear your heart in this book and your soul to some extent.
1:58.0	It's called testimony inside the evangelical movement that failed a generation.
2:05.4	And you can also follow John's writing on his substack, border stalkers, and at johnwardrights.org.
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