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Hello and welcome to the very latest episode of Unfiltered which features the person who has probably in the early days of this podcast

been requested by more people than any other as a potential subject for the interview. I speak of course of John

Ronson and he will be talking a lot but by no means exclusively about his latest project,

the Butterfly Effect, which is a seven-part audio

series or podcast as a kid's call them looking at the changing nature of the porn

industry which might sound a little bit sleazy and or vicarious, but it's actually anything

but it's absolutely fascinating and it begins really with him seeing a hotel receptionist, the way that the

receptionist looked at a porn star that he was meeting in his hotel in

Los Angeles for a different project.

And just from that tiny seed, this is one of the things I love about, Ronston.

From that tiny seed, you know, hours and hours of first class,

first person reportage evolved. We'll find out how now.

So welcome to Unfiltered John Ronson. It's a genuine pleasure to have you here.

As I have a mouth full of tea, it was lovely to see you.

I started that deliberately as you reached for your the first the first sit past your lips I thought I'd dive in and

start the tape let's begin with when we last met because you came on my radio

show about a year ago almost to the day and Donald Trump had just been elected

US president I made a clumsy attempt to blame it all on you for bringing Alex

Jones kind of into the mainstream yeah but you know what he would have like he was going to make it without me with or without me Alex Jones was going to make it

although I have been held responsible for Trump's rise a couple of times over the last year because I was the man who kind of gave

the world Alex Jones for the first time and then you know extraordinarily Alex suddenly

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