Hey everybody it's Joe Trippy and welcome back to that Trippy show.

This week we have a really fun guest, my old friend John Max.

He was Jay Leno's top writer during Jay's time as the host of Late Night and Still Rights

for Jay. He's produced over 200 live TV shows and that includes 24 Academy

Award shows. He's also a speech writer who's worked for a ton of American politicians, a couple dozen senators, and been involved in

presidential debate prep for quite a while as well.

And you know, John, I want to start, first of all, thanks for being with us today.

First of all, it's great to see you again. It's great to see you. I think the last time was probably

2008 in Denver walking through a hotel at the convention somewhere. It's like, hey, there's Joe. No, it's true. But I want to, I want to introduce you by talking just briefly about 1986.

When there are three of us, a guy named James Carvel,

that at that point no one had ever heard of, no one had ever heard of any of the three of us.

To be honest, yes.

You were the press secretary and I was running around putting shoots together for the media firm, Dok and Shrum, and it was for Bob Casey, for Governor of Pennsylvania, way back in 1986.

And while we were doing that, and by the way, no one thought we could win.

No one thought we could win the primary, no one thought we could win the general, you know,

is Carball would say to still, I talked to James still two or three times a day.

Oh, wow.

And his, I mean, is my closest friend since those

50,000 votes in the Republican T section of Pennsylvania.

He goes, you'd be driving a cab and I'd be dead.

No, it's true.

It's absolutely true. No, that's true. It's absolutely true. That thing put a whole bunch of people on the map and I just I wanted to talk about it because I think people don't have you know there was was a time that it's 1986 there's no way

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