You are about to listen to a BBC podcast and I'd like to tell you a bit about what goes into making one.

I'm Sadata Sese, an assistant commissioner of podcasts for BBC Sounds.

I pull a lot of levers to support a diverse range of podcasts on all sorts of subjects,

relationships, identity, comedy, even one that mixes poetry, music and inner city life.

So one day I'll be helping host develop their ideas, the next fact-checking, a feature,

and the next looking at how a podcast connects with its audience, and maybe that's you.

So if you like this podcast, check out some others on BBC Sounds.

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I'm sure if all you look into your first problems before you leave the train.

I've just got off the train in a city George Orwell once described as possibly the ugliest town in the old world

and a place of sinister magnificence.

But today on Open Book, we're here in my hometown of Sheffield for a more nuanced contemporary look at the city, speaking with writers of various ages and backgrounds who, in often counterintuitive

ways, have invoked this landscape in literature.

And now that I've arrived, as usual, I'm off to one of my favourite spots for a cup of coffee.

I'm here in a lovely leafy part of Sheffield called Netheredge. I grew up in a very different area called Firth Park and we used to describe this area as how other half live. But when I discovered the local ox farm with its amazing books donated by all the local

uni professors and cafe number nine, a little slice of behemia, it became my own little oasis.

And I'm here at the cafe now with the poet and novelist Helen Moore, who's written about

this place in a book, Black Car Burning.

Helen, I wanted to begin by asking, what do you love so much about this cafe and why did

you decide to write about it? I've always dreamed of living near a cafe where you could just go

on your own and people had talked to you and you'd have interesting conversations and that's what

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