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🗓️ 28 February 2025
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Rob is joined by Johnny Garrett, founder of William Wood Watches, which he created with just 25k and crowdfunding. They talk about the luxury watch market including its dramatic post-COVID crash and the rise of independent watchmakers. Johnny reveals how his grandfather's firefighting legacy was the inspiration behind building a British watch brand that incorporates genuine upcycled firefighter equipment.
From celebrity collectors like Kevin O'Leary and President Biden to Johnny's journey from banker to watchmaker, this episode provides a fascinating look into entrepreneurship, watch industry disruption and why traditional luxury brands might be taking advantage of their customers.
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"I believe if a Richemont Group bought it, Jesus, they could take William Wood Watches into the billions in revenue. Every single country in the world has a fire service. Our vision is to convert fire stations all around the world into our concept stores."
"The whole reason we're in business is to be able to produce watches that you can actually wear on a daily basis and appreciate. Now there's so much supply in the marketplace that you are struggling where to be able to make these purchases."
"I used to fall for that, I've got loads of limited edition APs, which, you know, they're limited edition, so they're the ones that will go up in value and they haven't gone up in value because they make a new limited edition, a new one, and a new one."
"This is the reason why we're seeing such a rise of independent brands. We've seen in the last three years, the amount of customers who now know more or want to educate themselves on other independent sort of lesser well known brands."
"I think society is celebrating the wrong businesses. We are feeding a conversation around entrepreneurs who have these big billion dollar companies with huge employees, potentially masses of debt. I think we should be celebrating more the entrepreneurs turning over maybe into the single digit millions."
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0:00.0 | Johnny, why has the watch market crashed? |
0:05.3 | Few reasons. I think the value that people now see in watches is it's ever moving since |
0:13.5 | even just two years ago. People were investing in luxury watches for a secondhand value, |
0:20.7 | which I think is also a problem, |
0:22.8 | you know, the whole reason we're in business is to be able to produce watches that you |
0:26.6 | can actually wear on a daily basis and appreciate. Now, there's so much supply in the marketplace |
0:32.7 | that you are sort of struggling where to be able to make these purchases, |
0:37.9 | apart from brands obviously like in your likes of Rolex. |
0:42.0 | So the difficulty is now is with an oversupply and so many different options, |
0:47.4 | it's very difficult to be able to maintain those values. |
0:50.8 | And that's where the luxury brands are really struggling now. |
0:53.6 | They're almost producing |
0:54.6 | too many pieces. Do you think it's a knock on post lockdown effect? Because I remember when |
1:03.0 | lockdown happened and I thought everything's going to go to shit and I broke one of my rules, |
1:08.3 | which is never sell. So I had an RM 11 and I sold that in the early |
1:13.3 | 80s and made a tiny bit on it, which you never did. RMs used to drop like crazy. And then that |
1:18.6 | Rishal meal, RM 11 went up to nearly 200 grand. And I just saw it go like that. And I thought |
1:25.6 | this is mad. I sold a nautilus chronograph. I sold it. I bought it for |
1:30.5 | 25. I sold it for 36. I thought, I'm well in here. And then it went up to 150 grand. And I've never |
1:36.9 | seen anything like this. I've been buying watches for 15 years. I love watches. And, you know, |
1:42.1 | I believe it was because there was just a cut of supply because obviously everything was shut and they couldn't make for a while. |
1:49.8 | And then that supply or lack of supply has a knock on effect. |
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