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So certainly a lot of activity as it relates to the Maryland program over the last week in the last few days in particular.

And we also have a final four that is set. Later on in the show, we will talk football,

bends down at the owner's meetings. He'll join us at 12. And Adam Peters is scheduled to speak.

And he will do that and we'll try to have a lot of that

sound for you before the end of the show. Joining me, though, right now is John Taltie,

at J. Talti, T-A-L-T-Y, on X on Twitter. He's a National College Sports reporter for CBS Sports

and for 24-7 sports.

And he's a best-selling Wall Street Journal author, most recent book, The Price, with

Armin Ketian, who we had on the show last year, who was excellent.

John joins us right now, and John did write about the exit, the Kevin Willard exit.

By the way, I have to say, and somebody texted me after sending me this,

Barry Gossett, who is a legendary figure at the University of Maryland.

We have seen him in press release quotes.

I don't think I've ever seen this kind of quote from him, but you got it.

He essentially said, quote, he played us like a drum.

As far as I'm concerned with Kevin leaving, it was just chaos, closed quote.

I don't think I've ever seen him quoted other than in a press release about some sort of big building going up.

Yeah, Barry was upset, and I had talked to Barry for the book that you mentioned, the price,

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