John Read and Jeffrey Masson - Biological Psychiatry and the Mass Murder of “Schizophrenics”

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🗓️ 10 August 2022

⏱️ 63 minutes

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On the Mad in America podcast this week, we hear from the co-authors of a paper published in the journal Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry which documents the mass murder of a quarter of a million people, mostly diagnosed as “schizophrenic” in Europe during the Second World War.

Later, we hear from Dr. Jeffrey Masson, who is an author and a scholar of Sanskrit and psychoanalysis. But first, we talk with professor of psychology John Read. Regular visitors to Mad in America will know of John’s work. For those that don’t know, John worked for nearly 20 years as a clinical psychologist and manager of mental health services in the UK and the USA, before joining the University of Auckland, New Zealand, in 1994, where he worked until 2013. He has served as director of the clinical psychology professional graduate programmes at both Auckland and, more recently, the University of Liverpool. He currently works in the School of Psychology at the University of East London.

John has many research interests, including critical appraisals of the use of psychiatric drugs and electroconvulsive therapy.

Jeffrey Masson has had a fascinating career in which he studied Sanskrit and psychoanalysis and became director of the Sigmund Freud archives. A prolific author, he has written more than 30 books and has become an advocate for animal rights. He is currently an Honorary Fellow in the Department of Philosophy at the University of Auckland in New Zealand.

We discuss how John and Jeffrey came to write a paper which examines a grim period in psychiatric history.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Mad in America podcast, your source for science, psychiatry and social justice.
0:13.6	Hello, this is James and welcome to the podcast.
0:17.2	And our sponsor this week is the JAEC Foundation, which is hosting an international conference on open dialogue this August.
0:27.1	And you can visit the website, jaecFoundation.org, for more information.
0:33.4	And now on to our interview.
0:35.9	And this week we hear from the co-authors of a paper published in ethical human psychology
0:41.0	and psychiatry, which documents the mass murder of a quarter of a million people who were
0:46.3	mostly diagnosed as schizophrenic in Europe during the Second World War and the sterilization
0:52.4	of hundreds of thousands more. Later in the podcast,
0:56.0	we'll hear from Dr. Jeffrey Masson, who is an author and a scholar of Sanskrit and psychoanalysis.
1:02.7	But first, I got to spend time talking with Professor of Psychology, John Reed. Those of you
1:07.6	familiar with Mad at America will know of John's work. For those that don't know,
1:11.8	John worked for nearly 20 years as a clinical psychologist and manager of mental health services
1:16.5	in the UK and USA before joining the University of Auckland, New Zealand in 1994. He has served as
1:24.0	Director of the Clinical Psychology Professional Graduate Programmes at both Auckland and more recently the University of Liverpool, and he currently works in the School
1:32.1	of Psychology at the University of East London. John has many research interests, including
1:37.2	critical appraisals of the use of psychiatric drugs and electroconvulsive therapy. We discussed
1:42.9	how John and Geoffrey came to write a paper which examines a grim period in psychiatric history.
1:49.6	John, welcome.
1:50.7	Thank you so much for joining me again for the Madden America podcast.
1:54.8	It's a pleasure to be with you.
1:57.0	And we're going to talk a little bit about a paper that's to be published in the journal Ethical Human Psychology and Psychiatry.
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