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Okay, guys, here we are live episode 49. I'm Jack Murphy. This is my co-host Dave Park over here. You see our

guest tonight is John Mullins. John went from the rank of private first class to sergeant,

or from private first class to sergeant first class

and then from lieutenant up to major,

most of his career in special forces,

where he served in Military Assistance Command Vietnam studies and observations group,

which many of you have probably heard of. They were doing clandestine operations into layouts in Cambodia during the Vietnam conflict.

He served in the Phoenix program.

One of the most controversial aspects

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