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Hi, I'm Lindsey Graham, host of Wondery's Podcast American Scandal.

Our newest series looks at the trial of the Chicago Seven, a case involving protests of

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Well, we've got a strange one today for a change.

I'm a dead head.

I love the grateful dead.

Last week, I had Norm Ornstein of the American Enterprise Institute on the erosion of norms and

how that has led us to where we are today in this country.

The impeachment trial, of course, and I will talk about that in a moment.

But this week's is a conversation with John Mayer, who plays with dead and company

the latest incarnation of the grateful dead.

And he stepped in about five years ago to fill some really big shoes, Jerry Garcia's.

And I think we have a fascinating conversation, you know, for a change about John, who I

had not heard of until he joined a dead and company.

Evidently, he was a very big star before he joined the dead.

I'm a little clueless on pop culture.

I interviewed John at a resort in Mexico where 5,000 affluent dead heads came for a four

day thing.

Now I, I have a emotional connection to the grateful dead that reminds me of my old partner,

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