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🗓️ 6 August 2022
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Ryan talks to John M. Barry about the similarities between the public reaction to the COVID-19 pandemic and the 1918 pandemic, the importance of telling the truth, serving the common good, and more.
John M. Barry, the prize-winning and New York Times best-selling author whose books have won multiple awards, His books The Great Influenza: the story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History and Rising Tide: The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 and How It Changed America have involved John in high-level policy-making regarding flood protection, pandemic preparedness, resilience, and risk communication. A keynote speaker at such varied events as a White House Conference on the Mississippi Delta and an International Congress on Respiratory Viruses, he has also given talks in such venues as the National War College, the Council on Foreign Relations, and Harvard Business School. He is co-originator of what is now called the Bywater Institute, a Tulane University center dedicated to comprehensive river research.
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| 3:18.0 | And I don't know why I put off reading John's other book, especially because as someone pointed out, like in December or January of 2019 or 2020, I mentioned something about how in a pandemic could happen at any moment. |
| 3:38.0 | And one must be prepared for such thing as subsequent events would painfully remind us, I don't know why I never read the great influenza, the story of the deadliest pandemic in history, but I did read it in March 2020 in those early days of lockdown and was just fucking blown away. |
| 3:55.0 | It's an incredible book. If you read you could have consumed zero news over the last three years spent zero time talking about the pandemic, learning about the pandemic and just read this book and don't effectively exactly what to do. |
| 4:09.0 | All the mistakes policymakers would make all the mistakes people would make all the things to be worried about the things not to be worried about. |
| 4:16.0 | Basically everything you need to do you could have learned from this book, which brings up a quote from Harry Truman that I talk about in today's interview with John Barry. |
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