Welcome to ID the Future, a podcast about intelligent design and evolution.

Hello, I'm Andrew McDermott.

Today I'm with Michael Newton Keyes, author of the new book, Unbelievable,

seven myths about the History and Future of Science

and Religion. It's published by ISI Books. Kies is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute

and a former Fulbright scholar. After earning a PhD in the history of science from the University

of Oklahoma, he won research grants from the National Science Foundation and the American

Council of Learned Societies.

Keyes currently serves as lecturer in the history and philosophy of science at Biola University,

and it's on the board of directors of Rational Christi, an alliance of apologetics clubs on

college campuses.

Welcome back, Mike.

Thank you, Andrew. It's good to be back for this last, well, at least last for the time being episode.

Yeah. Well, you've released a book recently that debunk seven of the most popular and pernicious myths about science and religion.

In previous episodes, you've helped show that these myths came from strange places and that they still persist in a lot of ways, and of course what we can do about it.

Today we're looking at chapter 10 of your book on Johannes Kepler, whom one biographer calls, quote, not a mystic, as is often claimed, but rather a man of his age, devout and rational at the same time.

The topic of this episode has Christian theology successfully guided scientific discovery?

Well, Mike, much of your book is about defeating misconceptions concerning science and religion.

Do you devote space to telling the positive

story of how Christianity proved friendly to the rise of modern science?

I do, and you know the first instance of this that I cite in a case study on Johannes Kepler

is actually how Kepler helped pioneer science fiction as a genre, although it wasn't

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