He is the best defense attorney anywhere in the world today.

I'm proud to say that.

He's also my friend of 47 years, the very handsome Joseph Taka Pina.

Tack, good morning, bud.

How are you?

Hey, brother.

Wow.

I listened to the Kenny interview and just, this is really an unbelievable thing that

this could happen and the way it happened, you know, with some of these players are is, it's really an unbelievable thing that, that this could happen.

And the way it happened, you know, with some of these players, just, it's mind-bogglingly, repulsively unintelligent.

Well, let's get into it.

I'm glad you listened to that.

And I know you know, Joe as well, great chief of detectives. And I said, you know, Billups, I think Billups, Rozier and Jones probably made over a half a billion.

That's a real number.

Over a half a billion combined with their NBA salary.

So rigging poker machines and taking itself out of a game five minutes early to maybe get 200,000, 100,000, I don't know.

Doesn't seem to make sense, but what do you think about this case?

Yeah, it is, well, what you just said, I mean, think about it.

The allegations suggest insider information was used to benefit gamblers,

players or coaches sharing non-public information on injuries, playing time, whatever.

It's, and you're right, the numbers are daunting.

They did this.

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