I needed to develop as a human so that I could make sense of my very layered and complicated

and unique life.

And everyone needs to be able to make sense of their story, just like the Bible is full of

stories.

God didn't just give us a list of things to do.

He gave us unique stories about people's lives.

And then he reframes them and he makes them about himself.

Well, this should be an enjoyable and insightful and potentially side splitting 30 minutes of your time, Joe listener, because my friend,

new author, Jamie Nato, is on Joe for the very first time. Welcome, Jamie Nato.

Hello. Thank you for having me on. It is such a pleasure.

Here's what I want to know as a funny person, because I set you up as that. I said,

like, okay, you know, this is going to be,

she's funny. This is basically what I just said in your intro. Do you ever feel intimidated by the

expectation of she's funny when you come on somewhere like you think, oh, okay, this is what I have to be.

This is my role. Yeah, I don't mind. I like improv. I can, if you're a grumpy cat, I'm going to make you laugh. So I don't, I don't doubt my hysterical abilities. Nato does. He's like, that wasn't funny. And I say to him, I waste my good material on you, sir.

Wait, so everyone knows, Nato is your husband. Your last name is Nato, but you actually call your husband Nato, which I find cute.

I think that's cute, actually.

Adorable, but that's how I met him.

And then I couldn't make the transition.

Like, I thought his name was Nato.

And then his mother, we were going to his house and his mom opened the door and said,

Mark.

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