Hey, thanks for showing up. I'm Lisa Whittle and welcome to the Jesus Over Everything

show, affectionately known as Joe, where this season it is all about truth-telling, finding the good,

and showing up for our lives today no matter what has happened even yesterday. I love the

Joe show so much.

So when I ask guests to come on here multiple times,

it is because they bring a certain level of depth and wisdom.

And I know not only I need and want to process things with them,

but also they have things to say to you as a listener that you need to hear. Author and leadership coach,

Joe Saxon, is one of those people, and this is her third time on Joe. Might be a record.

And for good reason, I learn from this woman all the time in real life. She is my close and

trusted friend, and there is no one I want to hear from more about matters deeply important to the

church and to women in particular. We go there in this show. We talk about women's roles in the church.

We talk about why so many women have turned to the internet, both looking to teach and looking for

teachers, why women get jealous and why it's taboo to talk about that. And if that is something

perpetuated by a celebrity

Christian culture, we talk about aging and menopause and my own fears around this, I'm telling you,

this is crucial to the body to discuss. So here we go.

All right, here we go, my sister.

Listen, you know you're a real friend when I asked you to you two days ago to do a show with me and here we are.

That's like real friendship.

Hey, will you get on the show with me?

Yay!

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