Hey, thanks for showing up. I'm Lisa Whittle and welcome to the Jesus Over Everything show,

affectionately known as Joe, where this season it is all about truth-telling, finding the good,

and showing up for our lives today no matter what has happened, even yesterday.

I am beyond excited to bring you this show

with not only a dear friend, but a powerhouse teacher who teaches so many of us over the

internet through her books and courses and careful research and study. Speaker and author

Felicia Masonheimer is one of my favorite thought leaders. And I knew this season of Joe needed her voice on some of the topics I most wanted to talk about.

Issues that have come up for so many women in the church from the Rise and Fall of Mars Hill podcast, including teaching about females and sex and marriage, reform theology, and much more.

We dive into feelings and why we've swung the pendulum to making them an idol in our culture

and what good church stories is all about.

This, like all September shows, is one not only not to miss, but to pass on to friends.

It is that important.

Thank you. to friends. It is that important. Oh, I am really, really excited to talk to you today, Fai.

I said this to a friend, my friend Joe, who interviewed with me recently as well. Only a good friend is willing

to jump on with me really when I say to her only this, hey, will you do an interview with me?

I'm not telling you exactly what we're talking about, but just get on with me and let's talk, you know? And that's what you did. So thank you. Of course. Any chance to chat with you. I know it's going to be a fun conversation. Oh, gosh. Well, I have to tell this. This is actually really funny. And if this is not edited and you're hearing this, this means that Fai said that we could talk about it, which I didn't tell her in beforehand.

You're over there sweating.

Yeah.

Before we dive into the meaty stuff, because Felicia and I can get meaty.

So we're going to get to that.

But you and I Vox a decent amount about all manner

of things. I mean, literally all manner of things, soup to nuts. We were having this enriching

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