Hi, and welcome to Jesus Over Everything, a five-day-a-week variety show that mixes encouragement, the Bible, practical how-toes, and fantastic guests for the listener on the go.

I'm Lisa Whittle, and I welcome you to just five minutes with me, which I trust and pray will be five minutes well spent.

This is a dear two days of shows for me as we welcome pastor and author Jonathan Pitts to our show.

Jonathan is someone I didn't know prior to him coming on Jesus over everything,

but I did know his late wife, Winter, as a ministry comrade and friend.

I never got the honor of actually meeting Winter in person,

but her warmth was felt even in the few brief exchanges we had in some private messages we shared.

Winter went to be with Jesus in July of last year,

and tomorrow you'll hear much more of that story,

but Jonathan is here today to encourage us

with a word God has put on his heart to bring.

He is the father of he and Winner's four girls

and co-author with Winter of the newly released book, Empty.

It's an honor to have him in the guest host chair today on Joe.

Faithfulness. What does it mean to be faithful? You know, I've been thinking about that

question a lot of, as I've considered my own faith, and I can't help but think about two extremes.

The first is living a life of license and licentiousness where I'm living for myself throughout

the week and then expecting God to swoop in to save me. Speaking to that in Romans chapter

6 the writer says, what shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound by

no means? You see living a life of licentiousness

is all God, it's no me, and although that's a true thought, it's not faithfulness. It's an

immature perspective that if you stay there, you're not being faithful. On the other hand,

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