Hi, and welcome to Jesus Over Everything, a five-day-a-week variety show that mixes encouragement,

the Bible, practical how-toes, and fantastic guests for the listener on the go. I'm Lisa Whittle,

and I welcome you to just five minutes with me, which I trust and pray will be five minutes well spent.

Well, we're back with the second part of my interview with my dear friend, Allie Worthington,

and if you loved

yesterday, you'll equally love today. We talk about something Allie helped me through that has stuck

with me to this day, the reality of ministry guilt and how she's dealt with her own, and we even

get into a series of questions I affectionately call Lisa and me that I customize just for Allie

since we're really good friends.

I hope you'll love this show like I do. Allie has so much rich wisdom to give author,

business coach, speaker, and my dear friend, listen now to part two of my conversation with Allie.

You know, Allie, you've said a number of things to me during our friendship that have been profound.

One of the things you helped me with was with work.

I told you one time that I feared that maybe I'd turned into a workaholic because of how much I had been working and kind of even more

than that, the way I craved to do more and more work. And I'd been kind of judging myself for it.

And you said to me this, you said, Lisa, maybe you really love the work. And I have to tell you,

as a person who tends to be kind of hard on myself, a pretty deep thinker,

that helped me sort of take a step back and say, man, is it that?

Is it that I love the work?

And what you help me do is sort through it just by that simple question you pose back to me.

So here's what I want to know from you.

How do people know if they're working too much,

...