When you step way back, what does the current focus on miss and disinformation really look

like?

Is there a disinformation industrial complex?

And if so, what are its values?

What's its purpose?

What's its agenda?

Those are some of the questions for this week's Reliable Sources podcast.

So let's cue the music.

I'm Brian Stelter and this weekly podcast is our chance to go more in depth, talking

with media leaders and newsmakers about how the media world really works.

In the past five years, there have been endless stories and seminars about the scourge

of disinformation.

Many of them have aired on CNN.

They've aired on Reliable Sources.

They've happened on this podcast.

There are very real issues with America's information crisis that need to be addressed.

But there's also something, well, maybe you could call it big disinfo.

That's what Joe Bernstein calls it in a cover story for Harper's Magazine.

Joe is a senior technology reporter for Buzzfeed News.

He's been on a little bit of a break lately over at the Neeman Foundation for Journalism.

He's been on a Neeman Fellow at Harvard University.

And while there, he spent a lot of time thinking about the disinformation wars and who stands

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