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On Being with Krista Tippett

Joanna Macy — Hope Portal, Episode 5

On Being with Krista Tippett

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Society, Spirituality, Society & Culture, Sociology, Culture, Science, Religion & Spirituality, Krista Tippett, Social Sciences, On Being, Arts

4.710.2K Ratings

🗓️ 26 June 2025

⏱️ 12 minutes

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Summary

Our teacher and inspiration for this session is Joanna Macy. What she embodies is a wild love for the world and a fierce hope that rises irrepressible from that. And she carries and lives an important reminder to us that when we love, we will also know pain, and we will know grief that can feel too awful to bear. When we talk about the muscle of hope being reality-based, that means that it does not call us to be brimming with optimism where that is not warranted. What we’re called to do is stay present. And when you’re present, there will be grieving to do, but that this — strangely, interestingly, kind of miraculously — increases our capacity to love this world. And it unleashes intelligence and ingenuity to sustain that love across a lifetime, as Joanna Macy has.

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0:00.0

Our teacher and inspiration for this session is Joanna Macy.

0:11.9

What she embodies is a wild love for the world and a fierce hope that rises irrepressible from that.

0:23.3

And she carries and lives an important reminder to us that when we love, we will also know pain

0:32.6

and we will know grief that can feel too awful to bear.

0:39.2

What is true in our individual lives is true also in our life together, civilizationally.

0:48.5

The landscape you and I want to deepen of goodness and muscular hope and generative living, is not born of

0:56.7

abstract commitments.

0:58.3

It's about what we love, our communities, our children, humanity, the natural world.

1:08.2

That is a primary passion of Joanna Macy. She's a philosopher of ecology. She's a world. That is a primary passion of Joanna Macy. She's a philosopher of ecology, and she was an

1:16.0

environmental activist before that term environmentalism had been coined. We are all also

1:24.3

simultaneously with whatever other challenges we're facing, living with the reality

1:31.3

of ecological fragility and disarray and danger.

1:37.9

And I believe that we are each and every one of us feeling that at a cellular level,

1:47.0

whatever our belief systems are,

1:54.4

whether it's conscious, wherever we live, if in no other way we are having to acknowledge it in the chaos of what we used to call the weather. The weather used to be the stuff of small talk, a comforting

2:02.9

mix of predictable and surprising. And when we talk about the muscle of hope being reality-based,

2:12.3

that means that it does not call us to be brimming with optimism where that is not warranted.

2:19.2

Joanna Macy is also a Buddhist teacher and scholar at this point in her life.

2:25.4

And she actually says that within Buddhist teaching as she understands it,

2:29.8

there is absolutely permission to not be brimming with optimism. What we're called to do is be present.

2:40.5

And when you're present, there will be grieving to do. But that this strangely, interestingly,

2:49.3

kind of miraculously increases our capacity to love this world,

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