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Emergency Medicine Cases

JJ 12 BNP for Diagnosis of Acute CHF

Emergency Medicine Cases

Dr. Anton Helman

Science, Courses, Medicine, Health & Fitness, Education

4.7602 Ratings

🗓️ 13 March 2018

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

BNP is currently in use in many EDs across North America and Europe. In this Journal Jam podcast we discuss the clinical utility of BNP and pro-NT-BNP in the work-up of the dyspneic ED patient. We ask the questions: does BNP add much beyond physician gestalt? Which patients might BNP be useful for? Should we abandon BNP as a dichotomous rule-in/rule-out variable and instead use it as a continuous variable? Does using BNP effect patient oriented outcomes? Is lung POCUS a better test? Are prediction models that include BNP useful? and many more....

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0:00.0

ED physicians are only about 80% accurate in their diagnosis of acute CHF. Why? Well, there's no

0:07.3

single element of the past medical history presenting symptoms or physical exam findings that can

0:12.7

reliably rule in or rule out acute CHF in the ED. Orthopnia, P&D, weight gain, are not

0:20.7

especially helpful in making the diagnosis, and even the lauded S3 Gallup, which most of us can't identify at the best of times in the ED, isn't really a slam dunk.

0:31.6

Well, what about the x-ray, you might ask? Surely a chess x-ray can help us rule in or rule out CHF with good accuracy.

0:38.6

Well, not so much.

0:40.6

The classic signs of CHF are often absent on chest x-ray,

0:45.3

an inter-observer agreement, whether you're an ED doc or a radiologist

0:49.5

on the diagnosis of CHF by X-ray, is enormous.

0:54.0

Despite these shortcomings, when all of these

0:56.8

elements are put together, ED physicians' clinical gestalt is actually not bad at diagnosing

1:02.7

CHF. But maybe we could be better. Enter B&P. B&P is currently in use in many EDs across North America,

1:13.6

but does it improve our diagnostic accuracy above and beyond our clinical gestalt?

1:19.3

Does it help us distinguish between that COPD who comes in in Dysmniac, who might be in CHF,

1:25.6

but it could also be COPD exacerbation, and we're not really sure.

1:30.4

Well, in this journal jam podcast, we discussed the clinical utility of BNP and the workup of

1:35.3

the dysmniac ED patient while covering most of the world's literature on the topic.

1:40.0

We not only asked does BNP add much beyond physician Gestalt, but also are there a specific

1:45.9

subset of patients that BNP might be useful for?

1:49.8

Should we abandon BNP as a dichotomous rule-in, rule-out variable and instead use it as a

1:54.6

continuous variable?

1:56.1

Or maybe use it like we use lactate and sepsis as a prognostic tool?

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