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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Odlots podcast. I'm Joe Wyzenthal.

And I'm Tracy Alloy. Tracy, today we have a special episode of the podcast.

That's right. So we traveled to Austin, Texas. We were there for the Texas Tribune Festival,

and we recorded a live episode with one of our favorite Odlots guests, Jigger Shaw.

That's right. Jigger is, as listeners may know, the head of the loan program at the department

of energy. This is his third time appearing. The first time we talked to him was early 2022,

when the loan program's office was this sort of small backwater office within the DOE.

Then we talked to him again about a year ago, right after the Inflation Reduction Act was passed,

when his office got tons of money to land out. And then this was sort of like a one year

on episode. What are they doing with all this money at his office? And what are the real prospects

for sort of decarbonizing our electricity system? He's sort of in the groove now. He's spending some

of the billions of dollars that he's been authorized to spend by Washington. And it's really

interesting to see how he's actually putting that money to work and what's getting him excited

in the energy space right now. All right. So take a listen. Jigger, we've talked to you a couple of

times in the past on the podcast about the loan program office. What do we start just to like sort

of a quick summary and we've talked like about what you do. Like real quickly, just what is the

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