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Welcome to Batsha Party. I'm Juliette Litman.

Well, today I talk to one of my heroes.

If Jesse Palmer everybody, I'm concerned he may think I'm a little bit to ranged after this conversation,

but hey, I had a great time. I hope you're going to enjoy it.

Just want to say disclaimer. Couldn't find the courage to ask him if he was the one getting divorced.

So I'm sorry, let me all down after my big talk earlier this week, but I just couldn't.

I just couldn't do it. You know, just love Jesse's and want to put it in that position.

Anyway, give it a listen. Hope you enjoy and Cali and I'll be back on Monday night as per usual.

Welcome to Batsha Party. Jesse Palmer. How are you?

I'm doing great. How are you? Thanks for having me on.

Thanks for coming back. Jesse, I'm going to be honest. I think I might be your biggest fan outside of your family and your wife's family.

Why? What do you mean why? I think you're great at your job.

The eggs. Thank you. I love your pod. I love this whole thing, by the way.

I love being out with you to Batsha Party. Can you give me? Yes. New phase.

I don't know. I just, first of all, I also want to apologize to you.

I was like, when do you guys went to France last year and you had such excellent French pronunciation?

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