Jenrick defects: is Reform tearing the Tories apart?
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The Times
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🗓️ 16 January 2026
⏱️ 29 minutes
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Summary
After a whirlwind day in Westminster, Robert Jenrick announced that he was defecting to Reform UK after being sacked by the Conservatives. But how much trouble does his defection spell for the Tories? Can he work with Nigel Farage? And what does this mean for the future of the British right?
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Host: Manveen Rana.
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| 0:00.0 | From The Times and the Sunday Times, this is the story. |
| 0:06.0 | I'm Manvine Rana. |
| 0:09.1 | It was a day of high drama in Westminster. |
| 0:15.2 | It began with a bombshell video clip from Kemi Badenock. |
| 0:19.4 | This morning, I removed the Conservative whip from Robert Jenrick after dismissing him from the Shadow Cabinet. |
| 0:27.2 | It's not often that the leader of the opposition sacks one of the most senior members of the Shadow Cabinet in such a public way. |
| 0:35.5 | But she claimed that Robert Jenrick had been caught out |
| 0:38.3 | in a dastardly plot to defect. |
| 0:40.8 | I was very sorry to be presented with clear, irrefutable evidence, |
| 0:45.8 | not just that he was preparing to defect, |
| 0:47.9 | but he was planning to do so in the most damaging way possible |
| 0:51.6 | to the Conservative Party and his shadow cabinet colleagues. |
| 0:56.2 | Kemi Bade Nock said she was sick of the political psychodrama. |
| 1:00.5 | But one of her former colleagues, who's already defected to reform, Nadine Dories, |
| 1:05.4 | accused her of adding to the soap opera. |
| 1:07.9 | I think she's behaved a little bit like a wife who finds out that her husband's having an affair |
| 1:13.6 | and throws his clothes out the bedroom window. |
| 1:16.3 | But by sacking him before he had a chance to defect, |
| 1:19.8 | Kemi Badoadnock had not only taken out her closest rival for the leadership of the Tories, |
| 1:25.6 | but she also left reform on the back foot, having to |
| 1:30.0 | hurriedly arrange a big announcement. |
| 1:32.3 | The Conservative leadership have jumped the gun on this. |
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