This is The Reason interview with Nicholas. Thanks for listening. Today's episode is sponsored by

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middle of the episode. There are a good bunch of people wait for it. But I want to talk to you about today's

guest, who is the legal scholar over the past decade, who, as far as I'm concerned, has pushed

arguments for free speech further and more influential than anybody else. Jeff Kasef is a former

journalist who now teaches cybersecurity law at the U.S. Naval Academy.

In previous books, he defended Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act as the 26 words

that created the Internet, and he stood up for anonymous speech in the United States of

Anonymous how the First Amendment shaped online speech.

His new book is his boldest jet.

It's called Liar in a Crowded Theater, Freedom of Speech in a World of Misinformation.

And yes, it plays with the whole yelling fire in a crowded theater thing, which most law professors, much less the rest of us,

don't really understand. We talk a lot about that. It's great. I like this book so much that I

blurbed it, calling it a smart, rye, deeply researched and utterly convincing defense

of legal protections from misinformation in an age when we are less likely to agree on basic facts than

ever before. This book is essential reading going into the 2024 election season. Jeff and I talk

about why misinformation, however you choose to define that weird term, should be legally protected, how the boundaries

between private companies and government actors are getting blurrier and blurrier.

We know this from the Twitter files and reasons coverage of the related Facebook files.

And we also talk about why so many journalists of all people are now calling for limits on the First

Amendment. Here is the Reason interview with Jeff Kassif. Jeff Kasef, thanks for talking

to Reason. Thanks so much for having me. All right. So let's start with the elevator pitch for

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